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norayne:

renaroo:

I’ve been thinking about it — and now it’s pestering me on my lunch break — but I want to make it clear, guys.

My problem with the New52 Wonder Woman, while I don’t like what’s been done to Diana, isn’t with Diana’s character itself. I feel like every time I bring up the New 52 and Wonder Woman…

are you referring to how they were turned to stone and more or less ignored? i havent read wonder woman since hermes betrayed her so idk if thats a plot point any more but in the few issues i read after the betrayal, it was like an after thought..so i thougt maybe that you hate them being treated like fodder and ignored..

Well. They turned the isolationist and female positive culture of the Amazons into a gaggle of “WARRIOR WOMANZ” that rape and murder “poor unfortunate men” every 70 years to reproduce. And then send all their male-born population into slavery.

After that I don’t give a damn about anything else in those books.

They took a culture meant to highlight the best and worst of the equality and feminist movement in a sex positive, woman positive, and kid-friendly culture of a matriarchy and used it to say “WOMEN IN CONTROL LEADS TO SAVAGERY AND RAPE AND MURDER AND INEQUALITY”

Nothing disgusts me more than that. And the writer, Azarello, who has has a history of loving to use rape as a narrative device (because it’s not like it effects hundreds of thousands of potential readers right?) has gone on record and said that yes. That’s officially the new mythos of the Amazons. And then took Diana and isolated her from her people and culture because they’re so vilified.

There is nothing to redeem this reboot of the Amazons in my eyes. Nothing.

goodluckdetective said: Geeze, most people are bad at the concept of “agree to disagree” We have conflicting opinions, Rena, but I know better than to pester about it :P

I probably sound more cranky than I mean to because’, y’know, Physio at 8:00 and Parasitology and Histo to follow aren’t like the greatest ways to start off on the right foot. Because I like conflicting opinions when they’re civil and can bring my attention to things I hadn’t thought of before.

I’d probably still not gotten back to liking Babs and Steph again after I swore off of them years ago had it not been for reading other people’s opinions on them at the height of of my “ANGRY AT EVERYONE FOR TREATMENT OF CASS” stage.

But I’ve said my peace on Diana’s character and I don’t care if people like the New 52. But when I’m making a point and 90% of the “conflicting view” is “You have a problem with A, but I like B so shut up”, I kind of lose my patience.

idek I should eat my tomato soup and ignore life but I’m bad at that.

Sorry if I discourage conversation. I don’t mean to, really. I’d love to hear opinions. But my irritation with the Amazon discussion being constantly met with the wall of “BUT DIANA/YOU JUST HATE THE REBOOT” still stands after dealing with it all day yesterday.

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stability:

friendly reminder that you can fight for equality without shitting on other people’s lifestyles

(Source: stability, via ephemeraltea)

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I’ve been thinking about it — and now it’s pestering me on my lunch break — but I want to make it clear, guys.

My problem with the New52 Wonder Woman, while I don’t like what’s been done to Diana, isn’t with Diana’s character itself. I feel like every time I bring up the New 52 and Wonder Woman I get into a million fights with people over it’s greatness.

Look, if that’s “your” Diana, if that’s what you like. Have at her. Diana can be subject to change. I’ve said that before.

My problem, and one you should share even if you like the new version, is with the Amazons. And if you’re reblogging my posts about my disdain for what’s been done to the Amazon sisters with cries of “BUT WONDER WOMAN’S GREAT IN THE NEW 52/DIANA IS FUN/BUT NOW SHE’S A GOD OF WAR WHY DON’T YOU LIKE THAT”

I’m ignoring you. I’m done with that fight. You’re not listening to what I’m saying.

Like. Stop. I don’t care if you like Diana in the New52. Not that big of a deal. I personally don’t like Diana as she was in the Golden Age. Or how she was in the early 90s. Or in the later 2000’s. Or now.

… there’s a very particular version of Diana that is going to be different people’s Diana is what I’m getting at. That’s cool. Doesn’t bother me.

But I will continue to talk shit about what Azarello did to the Amazons and if you bring Diana into it I will either ignore you or kick your comment’s ass.

This has been a Rena PSA. Thanks.

redundantthinking:

redundantthinking:

No one understands how happy it makes me there exists a canon comic where Jason flirted with a girl so hardcore that he convinced her not to do drugs.

The girl said, “Getting high is the best thing.” and Jason responded with, “That feeling you described? I get it when I’m looking at you.”

THAT SMOOTH MOTHERFUCKER.

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asleeponabench said: What are your favorite Cassandra Cain quotes or her quotes that you think encapsulate who she is?

Ohhhhhhhhh

This is just an awesome question! I love it : ) Thank you for asking!!!

"Sorry, Shiva. I don’t kill… but I don’t lose either.”
Batgirl (2000-2006) #8

I talk about this quote a lot, I think, but only because I truly believe it deserves it. It is the very quote that changed my relationship with Cassandra and my understanding of her character.

What it encapsulates is a dedication. A personal oath. This is Cass’ declaration of purpose in direct parallel to Bruce’s own declaration of War on Crime. The difference is, Bruce sees the enemy externally. He declares he will make the world better so that a child like he was wouldn’t suffer again. Cass is internally reflecting: the only thing she can control is herself, and that is precisely what she aims to do.

"Yes. He is. But… you’renot. Okay?”Batgirl (2000-2006) #16

This is from a storyline where Cass helps apprehend the very father a young boy asked her to help save.

It reveals an understanding from Cass — as she was in the same position as the boy, though she personally sees herself as having lost her innocence whereas the boy hasn’t yet. But more than that this is a feature of Cassandra’s compassion. Which I will stand forever by the fact that compassion is the single most important attribute to Cass’ character.

"No. Not you. This.
Batgirl (2000-2006) #50

I find that I’m a lot more affectionate toward Horrocks’ run than most — it’s the run of her series that I started out with years ago and was the basis for how I saw Cass for a long time before getting a hold of the back issues and trades for what came before. But I hold that Cass’ statement here — this statement of her loyalty to what Batman stands for rather than the very fallible man himself encapsulates Cass’ independence and her right for the mantle of Batman.

I mean, Cass really is one of the most quotable heroes in comics. I love quotes. I love Cass. I love Cass quotes. There’s so many more I could just go on and on about (“You can change. You can.” "Instinct. That’s… who you are." "Am I volving?""Nobody dies tonight." "Terror. Then… nothing." "I see you, Shiva.” “Don’t worry. I’m… a detective.” “I’m not perfect anymore. Take the words away… and give me back my skills.” “Don’t… talk to me like that. Like I’m stupid.” — this is a dangerous door you’ve opened), but unfortunately (or fortunately, really) I don’t have time to get all of them

These three are probably my favorite most consistently, though.

And. Y’know. “You bet your sweet patootie!”

I’m trying to not think too hard about the fact that Beatrice knows what button to press on the keyboard to mute the computer.

If I do, it might make me question my life choices even harder.

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the-crimson-question:

renaroo:

the-crimson-question:

renaroo:

Wait.

So.

Diana being made of clay (though, again, DC, that’s not her entire origin but what the fuck ever), is creepy and unsettling to the writers so they make her a demigoddess.

Y’know. Like every other character related to Greek mythology out there.

But it’s totally cool for Adam to be…

which reminds me…

Was Diana a golem, made of clay that looked like she was human?

Or was she clay turned actual human?

Diana has never been a golem.

She’s always been actually human.

When you hear writers say that you should become incredibly cautious and not pay attention to them in regards to Wonder Woman. Same with writers who say “Diana’s problem is she thinks she’s above humanity and needs to be humbled.”

Neither of those types of writers have read Wonder Woman — from the Golden Age, from the modern age — just at all. They’ve not read Wonder Woman.

I’m detecting some resentment towards Act of God

Well, Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns was who I was referring to.

But yeah, I’ll hold resentment toward the New52 in general.

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harshcutieszoos:

Diana: I was born of clay, fashioned by my mother and brought to life by the blessings of the gods.  I am not truly alive, but seemingly a soulless automaton.  I fight for what I believe… but what am I?

Zeus: Diana… did you not know?  You were the unborn child inside your mother’s womb when she died.  Your soul was placed into this body when you were brought to life.

Diana: You… mean…

Zeus: You are alive in every sense of the word.  You always have been.

*****

Eric Luke’s run on Wonder Woman was my true introduction to the character.  I’d read and enjoyed a couple issues of Perez and Jimenez prior, but Luke’s run was the one that my public library had nearly complete.  And I am so damn grateful.

Yes, this is the run where the Invisible Jet was revealed to be a piece of alien phlebotinum that turned into the “Wonderdome” and floated above humanity — but everyone thought this was odd for Diana to do.  And then, of course, here at the end of the Godwar arc we realize that Diana has been struggling with the idea that she’s not human… only to learn that she definitely is.  That she definitely has a soul.

I will always love this arc, for all its flaws.

[Wonder Woman v2 #150]

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the-crimson-question:

renaroo:

Wait.

So.

Diana being made of clay (though, again, DC, that’s not her entire origin but what the fuck ever), is creepy and unsettling to the writers so they make her a demigoddess.

Y’know. Like every other character related to Greek mythology out there.

But it’s totally cool for Adam to be…

which reminds me…

Was Diana a golem, made of clay that looked like she was human?

Or was she clay turned actual human?

Diana has never been a golem.

She’s always been actually human.

When you hear writers say that you should become incredibly cautious and not pay attention to them in regards to Wonder Woman. Same with writers who say “Diana’s problem is she thinks she’s above humanity and needs to be humbled.”

Neither of those types of writers have read Wonder Woman — from the Golden Age, from the modern age — just at all. They’ve not read Wonder Woman.

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Wait.

So.

Diana being made of clay (though, again, DC, that’s not her entire origin but what the fuck ever), is creepy and unsettling to the writers so they make her a demigoddess.

Y’know. Like every other character related to Greek mythology out there.

But it’s totally cool for Adam to be made from the Earth in JudeoChristian religion and now Zeusyson McStonepants to be made of stone???

I don’t understand DC logic.

Why are these people who don’t like Wonder Woman in charge again? The last time this happened it was Amazons Attack. Or Odyssey. I wouldn’t want to relive either of those if I was DC is all I’m saying.

the-crimson-question said: Cassie is the daughter of the son of Zues that Diana was tooling around with for her comic that's made out of living stone.

the-crimson-question:

renaroo:

…. if I’m reading this right, you’re telling me that in the New52 Diana was “tooling around” with her half-brother in the Apocalypse-of-everything-I-loved-about-the-Amazons.

Made out of stone.

Well. If I’m supposed to ever be interested in the reboot at all…. they’re definitely not helping themselves.

OH GOD, NO! NOT THAT KIND OF TOOLING AROUND!!

I mean, he was a part of her supporting cast and a traveling companion in her team.

Ah. Well, that’s slightly better.

I will never quite adjust to this idea that Diana’s supporting cast is not Amazon sisters, though, so meh to the half-brother thing.

So Cassie’s a… not demi… uhhhhh…. quasigoddess.

Ouch. Sorry for the downgrade, Cassie. And the costume. And being on Teen Titans Pfeifer or Lobdell edition.

It’s been a tough few years.

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the-crimson-question said: Cassie is the daughter of the son of Zues that Diana was tooling around with for her comic that's made out of living stone.

…. if I’m reading this right, you’re telling me that in the New52 Diana was “tooling around” with her half-brother in the Apocalypse-of-everything-I-loved-about-the-Amazons.

Made out of stone.

Well. If I’m supposed to ever be interested in the reboot at all…. they’re definitely not helping themselves.

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I recall some bit with Ares in the Teen Titans, but I think he was technically an uncle or half-brother or something like that. He gave her the lasso??? Which is why it zings people, rather than makes them tell the truth??
Yeah idek. Johns’ Teen Titans may have been the first DC comic I bought and kept up with month by month but it really hasn’t held up for me to read all the way through outside of the couple of issues that are built solely to character building that I like.
And Johns has earned a lot of disdain from me over the years with his treatment of Diana and the Amazons — he doesn’t really “get it” I guess. I don’t appreciate his take on the mythos.
He kind of made Cassie go from an awesome character I really loved seeing appear (early Wonder Woman appearances and Young Justice) to one that’s really not aged well for me as a fan.
Which is weird? Because uhhhh nothing should age worse than things from the 90s. That’s what the public keeps telling me.
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I am not too sure on Cassie’s origins in the DCnU, but as far as I know she was Zeus’s daughter all the way up to the reboot. Still, with that she’d be Lyta’s auntie.
Yeah that was my bad — I got confusled in the moment.
Regardless. Lyta needs to be raised by Io and Diana and Donna and Cassie need to be her awesome aunties that teach her how to throw punches between magic spells.
Not that I’m mildly obsessed with kid characters in comics and want to give them the best lives possible.
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